thanks clark for the info it was very helpfull, i wasn't using a max232 now i think i got it to work still have the programming part... -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/help-%28gps-and-pic%29-tf3723023.html#a10668844 Sent from the PIC - [PIC] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist