This longish (about 13,000 words), extremely interesting and more-convincing-than-I-expected article argues that cellulose bio-mass based ethanol is not only unsustainable as a fuel but has a severe cost far in excess of its value and causes unaffordable long term damage to the agricultural systems on which it depends. http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3D= view&id=3D107&Itemid=3D1 This is not just a "greenie rave" although it is that as well. I skim vast quantities of material, quite often at not too much beyond headline or chapter header level, increasing the amount I read as interest or apparent relevance dictates. I'm quite liable to go back and skim through this in greater depth and maybe even read the lot if it proves as useful as it promises. (But, most things fail the in-depth test). A reasonable summary paragraph from the article is Fuels from biomass are not sustainable, are ecologically destructive, have a net energy loss, and there isn=92t enough biomass in America to make significant amounts of energy because essential inputs like water, land, fossil fuels, and phosphate ores are limited. Before you seek to argue with that it would be a good idea to read or to at least skim the paper. Fortunately, lunar Helium 3 will save us all ... :-) (Russell's comment, not theirs) Russell _________________________ Summarised summary re corn Corn Biofuel (i.e. butanol, ethanol, biodiesel) is especially harmful because: =11 Row crops such as corn and soy cause 50 times more soil erosion than sod crops [e.g., hay] (Sullivan 2004) or more (Al-Kaisi 2000), ... =11 Corn uses more water, insecticide, and fertilizer than most crops (Pimentel 2003). ... =11 The government has studied the effect of growing continuous corn, and found it increases eutrophication by 189%, global warming by 71%, and acidification by 6% (Powers 2005). =11 Farmers want to plant corn on highly-erodible, water protecting, or wildlife sustaining Conservation Reserve Program land ... BUT ... =11 Crop residues are essential for soil nutrition, water retention, and soil carbon. Making cellulosic ethanol from corn residues -- the parts of the plant we don=92t eat (stalk, roots, and leaves) =96 removes water, carbon, and nutrients (Nelson, 2002, McAloon 2000, Sheehan, 2003). ______________________ "I asked 35 soil scientists why topsoil wasn=92t part of the biofuels debate. ... ... " Answers can be imagined, __________________ -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist