> Manufactured by yourself, the ICD2 clone (16F877 and 18F2445) will > be > around $20-$25. Firmware upgraded automatically. > http://www.edaboard.com/ftopic161641.html I remember discussion about the ethics of the ICD2 a while ago but paid little attention at the time. No doubt this has been well sorted out by now (if sorting was ever needed). What is the 1. legal and 2. ethical position re buying or building a clone ICD2 where "firmware will be upgraded automatically". And, regardless of the answers to 1 and 2 above, 3. What would Microchip like you to do and why? Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist