I recently found a source selling very cheap plastic 3 white LED flashlights with great reflectors. I've dissected other lights for use in other applications in the past with success. They usually consist of 3 AA type cells being replaced by a 7805 and a series diode. The lights themselves usually have a controller built in, so in many cases they probably handle voltage variations, as when the batteries die or are fresh. The chip is usually under a blob of epoxy... However, my latest find has it's battery holder for 3 cells wired directly to the 3 LEDs (white) which are in parallel. Being so cheap, I'm concerned that no engineering went into them, and that they are being overdriven. At 4.0v (the best I had at the time), they drew 90 mA. I haven't measured them with good cells at 4.5v yet. The light they put out is very bright at 4.0v and quite impressive. The question is, how could one characterize these LEDs to determine what they should be driven with? Simply done though.... I would like long life, since the housing that will be made around them will be difficult to change in order to retrofit or replace the LEDs, and any replacement will probably be from a totally different device. I also don't want to arbitrarily dim them down either. Being wrong enough to reduce life from 100k hours to 90k hours is probably OK, but being so far off as to reduce it to hundreds of hours won't do. For starters, does 30mA per LED at 4.0v sound right for a normal (not jumbo of super bright) LED in a Chinese product? ;) For such a simple setup, would a constant voltage source be OK (7805 and one or two series diodes) or is it worth the extra to make a constant current source (3 terminal reg config'd as a current source), given that they are in parallel? The ultimate power source ahead of the reg is usually 12v-14v and many times an automotive environment. Thanks in advance, Skip -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist