> So I'd say if it's a PDIP package you need then the 12F683 is a bit > better choice You can sample PDIP 10F from Microchip. But PDIP kind of defeats the "smallest micro in the world" thing. You could use it to breadboard, as samples of SOT23 and DFN are available for PCB installations I have used the SOT23 10F as a LED flasher, but SOT23 only because of space restrictions. I would rather have used the 12F629, because of the lower consumption and better timing features, but have those only in DIP -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist