> I think that there are a lot of exceptions that confirm the > rule. The rule is that getting a site with 'usual' content > into a reasonable position is nearly impossible without > 'magic' involving Ben Franklin effigies changing hands. A 'nearly' claim is difficult to debunk, but my site (www.voti.nl) seems to end up quite satisfactory in google searches. I did not pay anyone for that. IMHO there is only one real way to end up high on google: (relevant) content. > So, one can say that it costs money to get ranked > unless one has some really desirable commodity. Correct, and rightly so. That commodity is content. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist