The *really* big thing in memory, in production now by Intel in 128 Mbit test devices aimed at niche applications, and liable to get going in the general market inside the next 5 years, maybe rather less, will (probably) be GeSbTe (or similar materials) based "phase change memory" which will "converge" several memory types (eg NOR Flash applications and DRAM), bring non volatility to traditional volatile memory areas, reduce price per bit, overcome the pending sub 0.25 micron silicon bottleneck, increase speeds by an order of magnitude, have RAD hard capabilities, and ... . Doesn't yet look like it will make coffee or walk the dog. [[If it replaces NOR Flash at a significantly lower price and increased speed and ... it will also compete against and probably eliminate NAND flash]] The obvious URL, but Gargoyle knows much more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-change_memory With switching speeds around 2nS you can hope for a Flash memory replacement with over 3000X speed rating [!!!]. Sell your shares in other technologies now :-). The technology was first investigated in the 1960s (first patent late 1966) and even Gordon Moore wrote a paper on it in 1970 but it looks like its day has finally almost come. It had hurdles to overcome which were non compelling while silicon could be scaled with relative ease but the pending physical limits for silicon have spurred the required development effort. Everyone who is anyone in the memory world is working on it and no doubt a few startups as well. Massive paradigm shifts which technology changes like this can represent can be the opportunity for startups to gain a foothold in otherwise hard to penetrate markets and can see slow innovators die. It's also possible for such systems to fail to live up to their promises and burn everyone involved. (Bubble memory, Josephon junction stuff, CCD storage (except for the 1 MB or so chips used to acquire and store images for brief periods after you push the "shutter release" which seem to be in demand all over), ...).(Such technologies may retain lucrative niche application areas but fail to supply mainstream volumes). In a physically moved hard disk replacement possibility it looks like densities of around 128 GB/square inch of memory surface are achievable - limited mainly by "platter" positioning abilities and sensor sizes. Basic principle is phase changing of a suitable "glass" between amorphous and crystalline states with switching speeds of a few nanoseconds. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist