I guess this is geeky enough for [EE], especially now the video is up Mythbusters did a segment about starting a fire, including with a shaped block of ice. It worked. The problem below surfaced in NZ more than once. A water bottle has the very definite potential to start a fire in a car http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/497100/1072401 Something to bear in mind Home page http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_index_skin/tvone_fair_go_group -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist