> http://www.mauleairinc.com/img/Clears_the_hangar_color.jpg > > How about this one? They specialise in STOL. And that's certainly STO :-). They seem quite proud of that picture and feature it on their front page so it's probably real BUT the back door of the hangar may have been open. OR the hangar is > 200 feet long as that's about their best advertised takeoff distance for any model with a pilot and 1/2 a tank. On a good day with a small pilot and 0.1 tank of fuel with a headwind into the hangar and the back door open and ... that could be real. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist