Microchip says... "The current datasheets specify Vss-0.3 to Vdd + 0.3v" "If you start curve tracing the devices you will find that the ESD protection diodes clamp at 0.6v. The 0.3v specification is intended to prevent the input protection diodes from conducting. We have learned that as more analog peripherals are placed on the device, including low power POR/BOR circuits, the currents created when the ESD diodes clamp can cause very bad behavior. In one example, the POR circuit asserted POR when the ESD diodes were conducted. We do not want the ESD diodes conducting so we have specified the voltage range more tightly." __________ At last it's official. All the things I have kept telling people for years about how not to (ab)use protection diodes, and why, are now nicely summed up in an official statement. I can now rest in peace and cease my evangelical campaign against the use of protection diodes for use as anything except as protection diodes. Yeah. Right! Betcha it's business as usual tomorrow. People will just keep on insisting on their divine right to inject arbitary amounts of current into random places inside the IC oblivious to the pain and heartbreak it causes the poor old processor and its proliferating peripherals. The fact is, it's always mattered sometimes. And picking which time is the time when you care, or whether you can get away with it in a given design has always been a matter of luck rather than good design. Would-be top class engineers will keep right on insisting that you can do it safely, and that they've done it for years, and that they have 37 million devices in the field which are doing it with no bad consequences whatsoever. Walk quietly away, making no sudden moves, with your hands clearly in sight. So. Just remember. When you're tempted to say "but it's only a really really little current I want to send to its doom down this convenient arbitrary path into the heart of my precious program processor" ... Recall "Wafer thin!" Russell If that doesn't make sense, Gargoyling "wafer thin mint" might. And might not. The result you get by abusing protection diodes may not be as spectacular, but it's liable to be even more horrid. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist