Hi Olin No probelmo. I can't see the down side of letting someone that designs programmers look at my setup. I still think there is a good chance I'm doing something wrong on my end. I didn't get out of my meeting in time to get it out today. I'll send a working board and a programming cable over first thing on Monday. Phillip Things should be as simple as possible but no simpler Phillip Coiner CTO, GPS Source, Inc. Your source for quality GNSS Networking Solutions and Design Services, Now! -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Olin Lathrop Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:35 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC] Pro_programer/head in dark place troubles Phillip Coiner wrote: > If you look at the plots I sent the PDG has a much slower rise time > than the PGC line because it has the 47pF still soldered on. The ProProg also has higher impedence drivers for PGD than PGC, which is what I attributed the longer rise/fall times to. In any case, they were certainly fast enough. > I added the 47pF to the PGC line but the device still doesn't want to > talk unless it is first erased by the ICD2. This is new information, but I don't know what to make of it. Do you have a spare board you can send me? ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclis -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist