Many people have commented on this thread that I started. Most comments have been useful and/or interesting. They have suggested alternatives to OE or O, ways to extract messages from OE (usually with some losses along the way)(but in some cases also some gains), ways to read OE format files, alternatives of sorts to exporting from OE or O etc. All good stuff. But most, while useful, seemed to miss the original point (which admittedly hardly needs emphasising :-) )(I'm largely preaching to those who have already left the choir here) that Microsoft, as a marketing decision, have with Outlook (*NOT* Outlook Express) not only made a closed format program but have made it really really hard for people who buy a premium version to use it in a normal situation for normal disaster recovery action when disaster strikes. In the area that I was concerned with the free Outlook Express performs infinitely better than the for money version of Outlook which was supplied with the premium version of Office that I was forced to be working with because that was what was on the client's machine. Interestingly, in this case I have not noticed anyone trying to defend Microsoft's indefensible practices in this area - not even the apologist who for some reason seems to delight in rubbishing other people but defending every aspect of Microsoft's endeavours. Maybe on this matter we have finally reached agreement. FWIW, for various reasons I still use OE (but never O) myself and am in most areas happy enough with the capabilities and results, but as it has problems with active mail stores over about 4 GB (or maybe it's the 130,000 odd messages) [ :-) ] that too may change. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist