> yes those are empty but voltmeter (which is going to measure the > output) probes will be consant.This is why I said that the output > must be at one pin One PIC pin is just one point in the circuit. Would the output of an op-amp (buffering a DAC) also not count as 'one pin' ? You'll have to excuse me - I don't see the importance of the voltage being on a PIC pin specifically -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist