So I just tried programming my remote control with ICSP, as we had been discussing last week. Recap: circuit includes an XBee, which requires 3V. I didn't think ICSP had been working at 3V with the PICkit2, so I was using the ZIF approach with a DIY Kit128. I'm now trying to switch from a PIC16F916 to an 886, since I just got some and the 886 has 4 more IOC pins, which will save me a few parts here. The Kit128 doesn't appear to support the 886. So, I try the PICkit2, setting it to be powered by the target. And... no dice. PICkit2 says "Warning: This device requires a minimum VDD of 4.5 for Erase/Write operations." I tried continuing anyway, but sure enough, the verify fails. Any other ideas? For now I'm pulling it and putting on a spare breadboard for ICSP at PICkit-powered 5V, then moving it back. (Will move the ZIF socket over there if this keeps up!) -- Timothy J. Weber http://timothyweber.org -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist