hmm, thats weird, it just worked. the MCLR pin was in the correct state(1) all along, may have just been a fragment of wire or something. thanks for trying. btw, i have this other chip a PIC16F629, and it will not reprogram, if i try to, it just says NO DEVICE ID RECIEVED. is there a way to fix this, or is it dead? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/help-me-plz-tf3505724.html#a9791731 Sent from the PIC - [PIC] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist