> The problem is that many (most) CMOS chips are now specified > for Vdd-0.3 to Vcc+0.3 maximum limits *operating*. AFAIK not for PICs, the Vcc+ and GND- specs are in the absolute maxima section (= chip will survive, not chip will work). Has been so for ages, so for normal operation you could never depend on these diodes. > a - body ESD diodes cannot be used for anything at all they can: for chip survival, but not for normal operation > For a 13 IO pin part, this means that: > > e - 26 diodes which were previously implied present are no > longer present f - the actual cost of the part is the cost of > the part plus the cost of the external suppressor plus the > cost of the board space consumed, plus the cost of extra > routing (which can mean vias or a double sided board where > one layer was enough before). You assume protection is needed for all pins. Is this realistic for pins that stay on the (not too large) PCB, like a pin feeding a LED or a transistor, or receiving from a TSOP? Such pins are often coupled to GND or Vcc by a relatively low impedance by the rest of the circuit, so except when you do funny things nearby (like PWMing a nice inductive load) you should be save without additional components. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist