These are the connectors I mean:- http://www.mysuperpc.com/build/antec_sonata_pn1_pn2_connector_front.jpg not sure if those digikey ones are right since they don't appear to have pictures. IDC connectors aren't quite what i need. thanks Jon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist