jamesp@intertex.net wrote: > The only problem I have with the scenario at the bottom of the page is > that I don't believe that 3AH for a double A battery (cell) is > accurate. I would think maybe half of that would be a good estimate. > But even given this reduction in cell capacity, the longevity is still > good. Usually when I've been carefully considering battery capacity it has been rechargeables or other than AA primary cells so I guessed just to fill in some roughly plausible numbers. I knew that NiMH were available in the 2.0-2.5Ah range, so I figured primary cells would be a bit more. I looked around a bit now, and you're right in that normal alkaline AA primary cells seem to be in the 2.5-3.0 Ah range, but derate to about half that under 500mA load. However lithium primary AA batteries are just about 3.0Ah and stay that way under 500mA load. I think it would be a bit extreme to recommend lithium batteries in a portable PIC programmer but they would give you about twice the life in the extreme case of 500mA load on the batteries during programming. I think my estimate was very conservative for the typical case. One minute and 500mA per programming operation is way above average. A real worst case or even typical is hard to specify because there are so many different PICs and target circuits out there. The fact that most of them can be programmed in under 20 seconds with under 250mA battery drain is of no consequence to the field service guy who only ever updates a fully loaded 30F6010 in a circuit that draws a additional 50mA beyond the PIC. All in all, I think a reasonable worst case with two AA alkaline batteries is 180 programming operations, with 500 typical over a broad mix of target systems. Even though it's less than my quick back of the envelope calculation, I think it is well within acceptable range for the end user. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist