Wouter van Ooijen voti.nl> writes: > If I understand you right: You used a chip outside its specs and it > worked. You use the newer chip this way and it fails. And you are > surprised? That is not what I was saying. What I was saying was, that the spec is lying or wrong. The actual permitted Vclamp is probably Vdd+0.3V/Vss-0.3V as opposed to the stated 0.6V. Iow, that chip cannot clamp at all, since its bulk diodes will never open at +/-0.3V!. Then, clamping with a silicon diode (1N4148) did not fix the problem, and I had to use Schottky. With the silicon diode I measured -0.59V or so which is within spec, and the chip still did not work. Worse, more exact Vclamp specs are not to be found in that datasheet. Of course you realize that such a chip fitted with standard tranzorbs and suppression networks on IO pins and connected to a normal circuit can and will be subjected to input voltage excursions to -0.6V in normal operation (e.g. hum, induced voltage, capacitive effects, galvanic bias from humidity, ground current etc), where the reverse conducting tranzorb will 'catch' them, but too late, after they will have caused a clock loss by the core ? So one would have to use a Schottky tranzorb or something even more expensive ? thanks, Peter P. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist