> > > and I have had no problems with the programming part. > > > > did you try all PICs? > > > 16F628A, 16F688 (my favourite), 10F202, 16F877A, 16F88, > 16F690. I also did > the 18F452, but that used external power, so it doesn't > really count. I can > try a few others if you want, although my inventory is > limited. I am VERY > happy with the PicKit 2, and like the demo board too... Very > easy to make > extensions for it. It was a rethorical question. The lowest voltage that *can* get out of an USB is below what Microchip *requires* for some chips to erase. That your particular setup happens to work does not change that. But don't get me wrong: I like the pickit2. For its price it is a nice little programmer, and for some PICs even a debugger. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist