James Nick Sears wrote: > Failing that, I've had good luck with the MicroEngineering Labs PIC > Programers (http://www.melabs.com If you're looking at that, then consider that my programmers (http://www.embedinc.com/products) generally costs less and do more. My USBProg costs $10 less than the their open board USB programmer. Their serial programmer costs $20 more than my EasyProg after you add in the power supply, serial cable, and ZIF socket, all of which come standard with a EasyProg. However, I don't think any of these programmers are what you are looking for, which is why I didn't mention this before. If you just want a cheap programmer, get the PicKit2. It cuts a few corners and isn't guaranteed to work accross the full range of compliant USB ports, but it does work most of the time. It makes sense in a hobby situation where you are willing to put up with some hassle and flakiness in return for lower cost. The only other alternative worth considering is the ICD2 because it also functions as a debugger. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist