Greetings, I'm looking to get a programmer and startup kit for midrange PICs to give to my son as a gift. I have a serial programmer that I use, and so can he, but the tools I've hobbled together has a bit of a learning curve and it's used only with a serial port, and we could also use a USB version here... I'd like to get him his own setup, with the least possible room for programming or setup incompatibilities, and figure the Microchip PicKit 1 or PicKit 2 would be best, and at $35 and $49, the price is right. My leaning is towards the PicKit2. Any thoughts on either for my 'educational' gift giving? He's in high school and has some Lego Mindstorm experience. How are the lessons that are included with it? Is it an easy to use programmer? How about included language(s)? I don't get much for a description from the Microchip Direct listing - more of a teeny marketing blurb. Thanks in advance, Skip -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist