> the four pin units are probablly oscilator modules,......they are > expensive and take up a lot of space And use a lot of power and can't be shut off (well, they can if you switch the supply) like the PIC's oscillator does when it sleeps. Unless you really need one - driving more than one PIC, need synchronised logic, that sort of thing - don't bother I usually solder the crystal's case to 0V, either to a pad or with a short link of wire. A couple of projects had problems if that wasn't done, so I do it routinely now -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist