I've been using the '913 on a couple of projects and have noticed something wierd with programming them. Using the Mchip ICD2, 5V rail If I just connect up the ICD, it fails as it says the programming voltage is low, but I've got 5V and ground on the connector. If I use USB power, it programs fine...then if I go back and switch to board power...it accepts it and works fine. Anyone else using the 913 having similar issues? Its not the bulk erase issue since the board is running on 5V --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist