On 2/18/07, Jake Vickers wrote: > I'm not limited to 18 pin chips. My programmer does 40 pins, so that's > really my limit.> The funny thing is that ICSP is not limited to 40pin microcontrollers, and any free programmer software like IC-prog (which need a $3 hardware) may program more microcontrollers than usually available on USB PIC programmer...kit, diy or else. ZIF is almost useless. Why ? An experienced user will use ICSP, a beginner does not need more than a cheap DIP socket and some attention. A smart beginner will try a bootloader after his first 100 burns on the same PIC, untill he learn what and why and where... Vasile -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist