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Bob Axtell wrote:
> peter green wrote:
>   
>>> I want to start playing with PIC projects. I'm a Linux programmer by 
>>> trade, so while I am familiar with electronics, it is not my 
>>> strongest suit.
>>> I bought this programmer:
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Serial-Dual-Mode-Microchip-PIC-Programmer-
>>> NEW_W0QQitemZ260087584495QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4661QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>> and wanted to get an opinion on what every one though of it (yeah, I 
>>> will be programming the chips in Windows). Guess I should have asked 
>>> before I bought it, but I'd rather find out now before I got too far 
>>> into it (I purchased it before I found this list).
>>> I'm basically going to be programming some 12C671's, which is the reason 
>>> I purchased this one. 
>>>     
>>>       
>> I wouldn't start with one time programmable/uv erasable chips unless you absoloutly have to.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> I do plan on getting into some 16F84 projects 
>>> later, but that will be a few months down the road.
>>> It's supposed to be compatible with the Kit 149 programmer, which I am 
>>> assuming is somewhat of a standard.
>>>     
>>>       
>> never heared of it before, a quick googleing seems to indicate that it was made by someone called "kitrus" who i've never heared of before either.
>>
>>   
>>     
> This was the company that Peter Crowcroft in Hong Kong owned before he 
> passed away in 2004. However, _this_ K149 is a knockoff of the original. 
> My opinion is that it will work fine for
> your particular application. But it is very unlikely to be supported in 
> the future.
>   
Thanks for that. I'm just getting started (my first 5 PIC chips arrived 
yesterday!), so I'm not terribly concerned with this. In a year or so 
I'll be out of the "green" stage and want to move up to some better 
equipment anyway.
And I figured it was a knock-off. And it also has 2 mysterious chips (a 
24 pin and a 14 pin) that have been sanded down. I've seen this in 
practice in some other electronics a company I used to work for ordered 
from Canada and always got a little leery when the company was trying to 
hide something from me....

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