As an exercise Olin kindly gave me a circuit to try to analyze. Here is what I can find in sub circuit R2, D3, C2, Q1. But first I'm to focus on R2 and D3. http://www.embedinc.com/products/eusb2/eusb2.pdf D3 is a zener diode with a reverse breakdown voltage of 5.6 volts, sort of like a voltage sensitive switch. So R2 and D3 in this configuration functions as a stable voltage regulator to the base of Q1. Am I close? Lindy -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist