If you mean the sort of thermocouple used in heaters and etc, then the site below implies that the temp of the couple is between 400 and 650 deg F (in its intended usage) with lifetime reducing by 50% for each increase of 100 Deg http://www.hvacwebtech.com/thermocouple.htm These sort of thermocouple are probably not the best for temperature measurement since the whole thing is fat and the hot end is close to the cold end and all you measure is the difference. The couple is not at the flame temp because of conduction away from the hot zone. If on the other hand, the couples you found are just longish wires welded at the joining tip, Then you still need to know the other wire material to find the service temperature. Copel is copper-nickel alloy, whereas type J is copper-nickel / iron pair good to >1300F as you say By the way the direct answer is - ~3500 deg F flame temp. -- Looking forward, Al Shinn "Just wondering if anyone knows what the temperatures are in the flames/pilot lights of gas appliances. Gas water heaters or furnaces. I found some Honeywell thermocouples that are quite cheap but I'm not quite sure if they have the correct temp range to be useable. The material shown for these is a "Copel" type material which appears to cross over to a type J or about 1370 degrees farenheight continuous. If this is valid I can use these to play with. Anyone know? Dave" -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist