> I want a schematic drawing utility where I can move the pins around > after it's drawn. Logical pin grouping is fine, but I'd also like > to have some clue when I'm drawing a schematic just HOW BAD the > resulting PCB layout is going to be (especially when dealing with > pins basically interchangeable, like uC output pins...) I create a lot of library parts for other people, and always waffle over how best to organize symbol pins for the best schematic organization. I occasionally wind up creating and including 'alternate' symbols and let the designer decide - in PCAD its easy to swap in an alternate. But we are also slowly changing over to Altium Designer 6. It has the feature that allows symbol pin positions to be altered at the schematic level. In the demos, and, so far, in our limited practical experience with it, it seems to work well. Gary Crowell, PE CID+ Micron Technology -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist