>> First off let me say that grouping pins on a part in a schematic based >> on pin numbers is NOT the way I'd go. I want a schematic drawing utility where I can move the pins around after it's drawn. Logical pin grouping is fine, but I'd also like to have some clue when I'm drawing a schematic just HOW BAD the resulting PCB layout is going to be (especially when dealing with pins basically interchangeable, like uC output pins...) Currently I turn on pinswappability in eagle and munge the PCB, but the schematic comes out ... extremely icky. The alternative that I see professionally is a schematic that shows little more than a pin going to a label, with the other end of that label someplace on another page. The schematic is neat, and the pins are grouped by function, but the overall structure is not at all clear... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist