I keep cygwin (Unix CLI tools for Windows) on my desktop for just these reasons. I don't think there are DOS equivalents for a lot of the powerful Unix functions like find and touch. http://www.cygwin.com/ Alden Hart James Newtons Massmind wrote: >> There are fundamental differences between GUI and CLI types >> of interfaces. There are of course good and bad examples of >> both, but that's another story. >> > > On an old mini computer system years ago, I sat down at a console and, not > knowing what I was going, type "help" and pressed enter. The one word > response ("RTFM") had the desired effect. > > >> The main difference for me as user is that a GUI is often >> easier to start with, and more cumbersome lateron, a CLI is >> often the opposite. >> And a big problem for me is that most GUIs are not scriptable. >> > > But I have done a quite a bit of scripting in MS Windows using vbscript, > sendkeys, sidekick, etc... With various degrees of success. Some authors of > applications in windows don't think keyboards are for anything other than > entering text. > > And CLI scripting in Windows systems is very much alive and well, so > wouldn't it be nice to have a GUI of the command line utilities? E.g. the > standard Win32 command line stuff like SORT, DIR, etc... Should have GUI > interfaces accessible from the command line as menu pull downs or popups. > > There is another issue: modular vs monolithic applications. In Windows, each > application has to do everything that one might want to do. E.g. Excel has > to have a spell checker. In Unix, all the little functional modules each do > one thing well, and you put them together to get the job done. The latter > approach does not seem to translate well to GUI operation, but what if you > have a GUI interface for ls, grep, etc... That looks like any of the > available flowchart drawing applications? > > I've always loved that quote about Unix being very friendly, but very > selective about it's friends. Perl seems that way to me as well. > > --- > James. > > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist