>
> *IF* the person with chronic fatigue is Dave, and I somehow doubt it,
> as Dave has evidenced an apparent enthusiasm and go out there and
> gettem ism as much as any on list, then he would I think be quietly
> appalled at such a rebuff (even if it happened to be entirely to the
> point :-) !). If the person concerned is a loved one close to him (eg
> his wife) then pistols at dawn at 10 paces may not be out of the
> question.



I was, and I almost didn't say anything for reasons that may become obvious.

Since we're in OT here, those with lesser tolerance for lifestyle choices
may want to delete this before reading.












Ok, you were warned..





















Kardia is not my wife, she's my secondary.  My wife and I are polyamorous.
(wiki it)
For the record, I'm aware this is a public and archived forum.
Poly isn't "cheating", or "bigamy" or anything like that.   It IS a lot of
work, and certainly not for everyone.


Kardia is someone that I'm seriously in love with, and she is a person who
is in a lot of deep long term hurt.  For someone to cavalierly say "just
suck it up sister", is about as hurtful a thing as I can imagine, both to
her and to me..  However, it's rather easy to say that when you're
talking about some anonymous third party.  If you like, I'll post her email
and you can take it up with her directly.  She also practices "radical
honesty", so I hope you can "just suck it up" when she tells you honestly
how she feels about your proposal.


I met Kardia six months ago, and much like when I met Lori, it was love at
first sight.
Yeah, I know love at first sight is irrational, don't ask me to explain it.
We belong together.
Lori and I were engaged in three months, and married in seven.  Some didn't
expect us to last six months, but 30 years later, here we still are.


Kardia has a history of depression, along with fibromyalgia and CFS.  She
had also gone through the trauma of having three people very close to her
die fairly recently.  Until recently, she was suicidal, nad had been for
quite some time.  Kardia met us at a local SF convention, and about a month
later we all attended the HAI level three workshop together.


As we've come to know each other, I've been looking into the things that are
going badly for her, and I've looked into these conditions, and I've been
trying to help her find new ideas to explore.  There are effective
mainstream treatments for fibro and CFS, but her medical insurance won't
authorize them. She's been fighting that for a long time too.


One of the things that I found in looking around is Cymbalta, which is
intended for people with both depression and pain issues.  At my suggestion
she asked her Dr, and in December she made the switch, while under careful
supervision..  It's been a miraculous change.   The pain and fatigue haven't
gone away, but how she deals with them has changed completely.  She's able
to do more and she is really making great strides.


I can't possibly convey here what this means to us.  Just speaking about it
here causes again those tears of happiness.  Her recovery from depression is
probably the most meaningful Christmas gift I've ever received.


I hope there exists a special place in hell, and if not I hope they MAKE one
for Tom Cruise and his buddy David Miscavige, who would have you believe
that all psycheatric treatment is garbage, and that their "stuff" (I'm sure
I shouldn't say what I really feel at this point) is the real answer for
your problems.
Like Hubbard, Tom claimed on Oprah, "I've done the research"... Oh really
Tom?  When did you venture off into research psychology?  I must have missed
that part of your career.  I'm sure that I can't concieve of how much pain
and suffering these two have caused.



> Gerhard may just want to put the same advice differently.
> Dave may wish to tell us more.
> Russell may wish to crawl inside his flame shelter and lock the door.


Could be all of the above.
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