> Extracted out of a broader context, but this doesn't do = > excessive violence to it IMHO. > = > >> our mind can do what ever we want. your [[ chose | choice]] was to = > >> take [[the]] drug and it did it for you. > = > If a drug is administered unbeknown to the subject and it has = > radical and statistically highly significant repeatable = > effects that can be invariably demonstrated in double blind = > > = > I belabour this point so thoroughly as it is all too easy for = > people to take just as entrenched and blinkered attitudes at = > the trendy new age no-drugs, mind can do everything, feel the = > power Luke end of the spectrum as it is to do so at the "all = > you need is medicine" end. To suggest that either extreme has = > all the answers for all of the people all of the time is to = > make yourself even more extreme than P T Barnum. This is related to the 'pull your socks up and get on with it' attitude, that doesn't help at all. = I'm in the depression gulag as well; I don't know what happened, but I know I certainly didn't choose to be depressed, nor, it seems, can I choose to reverse it. Two events have always stood out for me. One was many years ago when an acquaintance pointed out that 'I was always happy'. I thought that was an odd thing for her to say; after all, why would we be anything but happy? It's easy to be happy, just pull your socks up and... Oh to be that na=EFve again. At some point after that I became depressed, the depth varied from 'functional' to 'sucks'. Why? Who knows, it just happened. The second event was a few years ago, when 'something clicked' inside my brain. It was pointed out that depression is like 'a black cloud', and that's exactly what it felt like. It was the feeling of the chill you get when sitting in the spring sunshine, and a cloud suddenly covers it up. I went from 'Ok' to 'depressed' in under 10 seconds, and I could feel that cloud getting blacker and heavier. I wasn't stressed, I was quite relaxed & peaceful, yet now I was depressed. Weird. All together now: I am happy I am happy I am happy... Tony -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist