> Any other suggestions? Measure the resistance between the target PIC pins and the corresponding PIC pins in the progger. This should identify all kinds of bad contacts (and exchanged wire colors). Take a good look at the solder side of the PCB, compare it to the picture at the back of the card in the kit, check carefully for solder bridges. If everything else fails, send it to me. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist