Thanks for answering so fast. I need pcb mount, but actually the kind where the 1.6mm pcb can be wedged between the two pin rows. This is extremely cost sensitive so I would like to see something that is competitive with standard DB9s. A pcb connector is also an option but only if it is cheap. thanks, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist