'Roger, in Bangkok' has sent me a most enlightening paper on Vanadium Redox cells covering the work of Squirrel Technologies in Thailand. He has kindly agreed to my making it available to others. It can be seen at www.others.servebeer.com/temp/vanadiumredoxcell.pdf 150 kB pdf. 27 pages. As well as some quite different ways of addressing the basic battery problems (eg series electrolyte flow to give greatly reduced pumping power and more constant cell voltage with discharge state and more) there are some fascinating applications such as a DC DC converter that uses redox flow cells alone as the voltage conversion means (all cells in electrical series, charge input cells to "strengthen" electrolyte, discharge at output point which 'weakens' electrolyte), a DC AC converter which works similarly and thereby addresses the normal problems of using a bank of batteries to supply a tapped sine wave power generator (higher voltage cells are required to provided less energy so discharge rates are unequal) and a carbohydrate fuel cell / battery direct conversion system that he says has shown 40% efficiency in converting energy from sugar to electrical energy. A sugar "powered" battery is an interesting and exciting prospect. A useful idea is the use of specially designed redox cells to take raw Vanadium salts and convert them to requisite starter electrolytes thereby avoiding more traditional external chemical processing. The somewhat sparse squirrel pages at www.vanadiumbattery.com refer to initial patents for this technology that predate the initial Australian work that I referred to. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist