In all this discussion of biofuels, I haven't heard anyone mention that the current primary attractant to biodiesel for the appropriate consumer is that most of the feed stock (used fryer oil) is next to free. As I see it, biodiesel's attraction is that it converts somebody else's trash/disposal problem into cheap energy, not that it might effectively supplant our current gasoline/diesel consumption. ..... It would be interesting to calculate how much land area would be required to produce half of the US's fuel consumption in the form of biodiesel. ..... Using vacuum distillation, could you simultaneously brew/distill your mash to allow the yeast therein to consume all of the mash's sugar without achieving toxic levels of alcohol in the mash? It would be a shitty way to make beer, but maybe an efficient way to brew ethanol. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist