Hi Herbert, I see this is a high-emotion subject... ;-) Let me relate a little of my past... I did a temp job when I was studying (about a decade ago in South Africa) at a "warehouse". What Digikey is to people in the electronics field, this warehouse was to people who run pharmacies. They bought bulk merchandise of everything you would expect in a pharmacy (from Coke (the pop) to chocolate, to shampoo, to tweezers to OTC drugs and prescription drugs). Their model was: The customer is quoted the raw cost (from the bulk supplier) of the goods + markup + s&h. The markup depended on the "loyalty" of the customer with bigger customers having a lower markup. The markup is essentially the profit the warehouse makes. S&H consisted of a complex formula. It was a statistical/analytical composite based on the combination of the cost of shipping from the supplier to the warehouse, as well as the shipping from the warehouse to the customer. The cost of the warehouse facility (rent, inventory management (conveyors, forklifts, etc), wages, depreciation, *loss* and *damages* and other overheads (advertising, catalogs, etc.)) was also incorporated in to the "handling" part of S&H. This S&H component was expressed to the customer as a delivery charge plus a non-negotiable percentage of the invoice total, with some exceptions (bulky but low-value items like toilet paper - where shipping and storage are the main costs associated with the distribution...). One other cost to mention is the cost of invoicing and invoice tracking. It is not free to maintain a customer. For tracking purposes, the "preferred" clients were able to get itemized billing where the item cost (raw + margin) and s&h fees were reported separately, together with a delivery charge that depended on the mechanism and volume of the delivery. The warehouse set it's handling fees such that in aggregate, the handling fees covered the business operations each year. The accounting thus was quite simple... Shipping covers incoming and outgoing shipments, handling covers all the capital and operational expenses, and the "markup" is *profit*. Most customers were unaware that this is how the warehouse operated, instead, they placed an order, and were quoted a price + S&H. The price was always really good, but the S&H sometimes came as a shock. A little explanation went a long way though. This is not to say that the target of your complaint operates in the same way as the warehouse I worked at, but, from a business perspective, the breakdown of where your money goes is substantial. A place like Digikey must have considerable warehouse overheads. It's handling costs must be substantial. I don't believe for a moment that $8 Canadian covers the actual cost of managing and maintaining the inventories that they must do in order to get next-business-day turnaround on most of their stock. So, the bottom line is that the real costs of handling products are considerable. How the supplier/distributor wants to charge you for that handling is their choice, but, at some point the final customer (you) has to absorb that cost. You have to understand that the costs are real, the profits are mandatory, and that different distributors will present their costs in different ways. One thing is certain, the distributor has to cover *all* their costs, how they do it is what changes though. You need to go with the distributor that meets your expectations though, whatever those may be. Rolf Herbert Graf wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 15:56 +0100, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > [snipped] >>> charges to pad the bottom line. >>> >> the 's' might have been a third, but who are you to know and decide what >> the 'h' part of their fee should be? >> > > Simple, competitors and personal experience in the industry. > > I know roughly how much s/h SHOULD cost, both based on my own experience > deriving those costs, and from what competitors charge for the same > services. > > I guess it boils down to dishonesty, in my book, if you're going to call > a fee s/h, that's ALL it should be covering. > > TTYL > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist