Russell McMahon paradise.net.nz> writes: > > 4) Rocket fuel is not anhydrous alcohol. > > It would esentially be if you used alcohol. Few rockets do nowadays. > It has some advantages but it is a relatively low performance > propellant compared to viable alternatives. eg even LOX and Kerosene* > has substantially superior performance. (* "Jetex" and "RPx" and > similar are special kerosenes chosen for their relative purity and > absence of fractions which polymerise when heated and goo up your > injectors and chamber). Yes, that's the point. An aluminium block modern engine probably would not like being driven to the limit with anhydrous alcohol (thermally speaking - the thermal load would increase by more than 40% going from gas at 8:1 to alcohol and 15:1) although Indy cars seem to do just exactly that (but then engine life between overhauls is a few hours). I wonder what copper heads would do here (or even silver heads for the posh - I hope that silver does not catalyze anything bad with alcohol and nitrogen from the air - I am no chemist). Was there any experiment with graphite or composite head engines or such ? At such high compression (15:1) it is probably best to use direct injection only because the heat of compression would cause serious problems for mixture compression with a high efficiency engine (with ceramic or such insets). > > V2 rockets used 75% ethyl alcohol + 25% water > > This was mainly to lower the combustion chamber temperature to suit > the materials used. It also helped a relatively rare resource go > further. It also didn't overly hurt net performance in this > application but modern methods tend (not always wisely) to optimise > performance. [[Truax et al BDB** approach compared with systems like > eg STS/Shuttle]] Yes, exactly. That's the point. 'Low' tech is not asked for, what is asked for is a good match between fuel and engine to maximize efficiency and durability with a reasonable cost and MTBF. > > And unlike hydrogen it is not really really dangerous or hard to > > handle. > > Unless you drink it (whether 85% or anhydrous). > But, then, liquid Hydrogen is also dangerous to drink, and has no > taste that you will ever taste if you do Yes, I think that the powers that be are very distressed about the issue of drinkable fuel and fuelable drink. Come to think of it, setting equally low taxes on both would fix the problem but that would delete or merge one government department and lower (not really, by quantity) tax revenue, so that is more unlikely than a perpetuum mobile. New bumper sticker idea: 'Moonshine Power!' or 'Drink *or* Drive!' (hey, this is already true ... ) On the other hand, there are anecdotal stories about torpedo technicians drinking torpedo fuel on the Internet ... Money-wise alcohol is $1.23 to $1.50 / gallon wholesale in the USA (source: Wikipedia). This is competitive with normal gas both by price and by power (outside the US). Although alcohol has only about 70% of the heat value of gasoline the alcohol engines (which do not yet exist in mass) have double the compression of a gas engine and thus in theory twice the thermodynamic efficiency. In reality this does not happen but alcohol is certainly used for racing ... alcohol engines are no wimps for sure. Peter P. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist