> Of course Toyota doesn't see it that way > > It disputes the proportion of energy used to make a car compared > with > how much the vehicle uses during its life, mainly from burning fuel. > > The Americans say 80 percent of the energy a car uses is accounted > for > by manufacture and 20 percent in use: Toyota claims the reverse Any two organisations who can get their comparative results out by a factor of *** 16 *** , as is the case here, without being able to clearly demonstrate that the other party is a turkey, and doing so, are probably both cooking the figures. That said, I'd say Toyota's claim sounds closer to reality. Perhaps both claims are true, and one applies to Toyotas and the other to Jeeps :-) Russell:: -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist