> ...for extracting bio energy from very low productivity land. > Presumably this is the real potential of bio-fuels. Even if the energy payback is only 1%, if you have otherwise unusable land that can be easily seeded and harvested for biofuels. Current "state-of-the-art" involves conventional techniques for farming, fermentation, and distillation/conversion, but I don't see any particular reason that energy efficiency of those operations couldn't be improved a great deal (solar distillation to much greater than 8%, etc.) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist