This 'report' (from a site that will be red rag to a bull to some list members) argues that biofuels are at best nowhere near as clean and green as they appear, and at worst are worse than not developing them at all. http://ww4report.com:80/node/2864 Issues include, actual net energy gains (or not), CO2 net releases, affects on rain forest, food crop displacement, net pollution and more. Some reputable sources that also add food for thought include: University of Minnesota "Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel and ethanol biofuels Jason Hill, Erik Nelson, David Tilman, Stephen Polasky, and Douglas Tiffany http://www.precaution.org/lib/biodiesel_vs_ethanol.060725.pdf ________ Cornell University Ethanol Production Using Corn, Switchgrass, and Wood; Biodiesel Production Using Soybean and Sunflower David Pimentel1,3 and Tad W. Patzek2 http://www.precaution.org/lib/ethanol_and_biodiesel.050301.pdf >From the above, the following conclusions are worth noting: CONCLUSION Several physical and chemical factors limit the production of liquid fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel using plant biomass materials. These include the following: (1) An extremely low fraction of the sunlight reaching America is captured by plants. On average the sunlight captured by plants is only about 01.%, with corn providing 0.25%. These low values are in contrast to photovoltaics that capture from 10% or more sunlight, or approximately 100-fold more sunlight than plant biomass. [Russell - *] (2) In ethanol production the carbohydrates are converted into ethanol by microbes, that on average bring the concentration of ethanol to 8% in the broth with 92% water. Large amounts of fossil energy are required to remove the 8% ethanol from the 92% water. (3) For biodiesel production, there are two problems: the relatively low yields of oil crops ranging from 1,500 kg/ha for sunflower to about 2,700 kg/ha for soybeans; sunflower averages 25.5% oil, whereas soybeans average 18% oil. In addition, the oil extraction processes for all oil crops is highly energy intensive as reported in this manuscript. Therefore, these crops are poor producers of biomass energy. ________ Russell says: * - type setting suspect. Appears to mean 0.1% average and 10% for photovoltaics. Corn at 0.25% is 40 times worse than PV. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist