I believe this would make a great addition for
production programmers*Got to love those scripts!
Easily integrated with Make and I am ready to go*.
Debugging support is a good feature to have but I
believe you have a good reason not to include it in.
Merry Christmas, Olin.

John



--- Olin Lathrop <olin_piclist@embedinc.com> wrote:

> Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> > ICD2:
> > + debugger
> > + (?) Microchip
> > + USB and serial
> > - can't power (reliably) from USB
> > - single-Vdd verify
> > -/+ has quircks, but most are probably known and
> documented somewhere
> > - interface proprietary
> > + interfaces with MPLAB
> > - RJ connector only
> > - boxed (hockypuck case)
> > - can be powered from an unregulated wall-wart
> >
> > USBprog:
> > - programmer only
> > - USB only (RS232 with external max232)
> > + can power reliably from USB
> > + multi-Vdd verify
> > -/+ new, as yet unproven, but: Olin design
> (probably almost
> >   fool-proof)
> > + open interface
> > - does not interface with MPLAB
> > + RJ and pinstrip connectors
> > - (?) chips support narrower than ICD2
> > - PCB only
> > - no build-in regulator for a wall-wart
> > + lower price (but for both Olin and Microchip:
> include S/H in the
> >   comparison!)
> >
> > Note that + and - designations will depend a lot
> on your particular
> > preferences. As for target support: Olin might
> support all current and
> > future chips next week, or drop this product
> altogether. Same for
> > Microchip. If I could predict the future I'd be
> dealing in futures.
> > Pickit1 once looked like a nice littel progger...
> >
> > Overall I'd say: if you need a debugger and/or
> MPLAB integration it is
> > ICD2, if you need a variable-Vdd progger and/or an
> open PC interface
> > it is USBprog. If you need target support for a
> chip that is
> > supoorted by one but not the other you need that
> one. Those are the
> > easy cases. For all other cases you'll have to
> decide for yourself...
> 
> The only nit I have is about the wall wart.  I
> thought the ICD2 requires a
> 9V regulated wall wart, although I could be wrong. 
> At least they ship with
> 9V regulated wall warts.  The USBProg is intended to
> be powered from USB.
> You can power it separately if using the serial
> interface, but the power
> needs to be 4.3 to 5.5 volts DC.  In other words 5V
> with a little wiggle
> room allowed.  Basically you need a regulated "5V"
> power supply.
> 
> All in all I think this is a very fair and ballanced
> comparison.  Thanks,
> Wouter.
> 
> 
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