On Dec 17, 2006, at 12:09 PM, James Newtons Massmind wrote: > other than hearsay to support that opinion. I was told there was a > ban on > Wal Mart in Denver due to a study they commissioned that showed Wal > Marts > actually hurt the local economy, but I found nothing about that on > the net. As a Metro Denver area resident, I don't recall that having ever been the case, but there have been a few suburban zoning meetings that have hotly-debated the usefulness of allowing a WalMart into a couple of the suburbs. Westminster, CO and Littleton, CO both have had some battles. Pretty sure Westminster residents lost their fight, not sure about Littleton. A little Google-trolling of the topic turned up that San Diego County in CA banned them, though. Some early articles on Sam Walton when he was still alive seemed to allude that he was an interesting person, and ran his businesses with an iron fist, flying from town to town unannounced in his Cessna 340, hitching a ride or using the loaner car at the local (usually rural) airports to visit his stores without warning. Early on he seemed to think it was important to purchase products made in the USA vs. buying from overseas, no matter if it were higher priced. There were a number of good articles about him in the early years, bringing affordable goods to rural areas by the leverage his bulk purchasing power to bear. Sam's Club was his answer to other large "club" outlets in the cities that had just started up, and I remember when they claimed they were going to sell nothing but products "Made in the USA". But his death, and globalization mixed with the economic realities of US manufacturing being too expensive for low-priced and "bargain" products, and additionally the apparent high levels of greed of the four (or is it five) children that inherited his (large) fortune -- who certainly don't need more money -- have utterly wiped out any of that early good his company may have brought to local economies and small-town America. People still love the cheap crap, that's for sure... but nowadays it's mostly cheap Chinese-made crap. An early business experience with WalMart and some telecommunications equipment they purchased would indicate that they were (and are) ultra-paranoid about their internal communications, but since I'm still in the telecommunications industry I won't share details. They're beyond ultra-paranoid down in Bentonville, AR. I personally know someone who was bodily thrown out the door and his site-visit credentials were removed (as well as the other technician from the same company being asked to leave) after lifting a floor tile in a data center without written permission -- to install equipment he was on-site and contacted to install. The credentials to even go on-site required a background check and a signature that he and his company didn't mind if a polygraph test were administered on-site. I'd estimate the equipment price to be just shy of two million dollars back then, but a single floor tile almost had the equipment shipped back to the supplier for good. Two security guards arrived within seconds of him pulling the tile to look underneath to see if a cable could be run. This was in the very early 1990's. I have no doubt from later dealings with them that their level of paranoia is still just as high as it was back then. Other articles and second-hand knowledge seem to indicate that the cameras in the employee areas of the stores outnumber the cameras watching the customers by about 3:1. I can neither find a way to confirm nor deny this, but it matches with their corporate ultra- paranoia that I have personally witnessed. They're more worried about organized pilfering of goods by their own (badly paid) employees, than they are about shoplifting -- the other stories here showing that they're awfully serious about that. I wouldn't like to see how that "interrogation" session in the back room goes if they spot an employee stealing something. I've heard their NDA's are ridiculously huge... -- Nate Duehr nate@natetech.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist