Ok, now we understand the confusion: Steve is talking about NOX emissions and Tachi is on about greenhouse gasses. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm NOX data http://www.fueleconomy.gov Greenhouse gas data But the NOX issue is due to the sulfur content in the fuel, no? And the newest small diesel cars even filter that out and will have lower NOX as well as lower everything else. Finally, I may be reading this wrong, but in the crttst.htm data, it would appear to me that the VW is lower than most standard cars on NOX anyway. And this is the car that they banned in California because it wasn't clean enough? I have a friend who purchased one out of state (which is legal) and is running bio-diesel in it. I wonder what the emissions are from that? And does it matter, since the plant has to have absorbed all that when it was growing? And if we can't have diesel cars, how will we brew bio-gasoline? Over all the future of diesel cars looks good to me. Rebuttals? --- James. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist