>Plus there are North American engines that make over >500lb/ft of torque, find me a euro vehicle with those numbers. How much is that in Nm (Newton meters)? Anyway, in Europe it is more important to have a small but efficient engine that works all right in a town where you have to waste your time in a traffic jam instead of travelling thousands of miles in a one go with a constant high speed. But diesel usually have a much higher torque than petrol car. Mine for example is a 6 cyl. BMW one, is a bit old, but the 2.5liter turbo diesel have 320Nm. One of my ex-boss had a Volkswagen Tuareg with a massive 10 cyl. 5.2 liters diesel engine, that had 320 Hp with 740 Nm! And that one is even was very efficient, travelling at 90Km/h the consumption was like 10 liters only. I do not know how do they do this, but it was tested by us, not telling this just reading papers. Another colleague had a Mitsubishi Carisma GDI, that had a unique engine that is petrol one but the fuel system is more like a diesel one. With 1.8 liters of engine they achieved 150Hp and with 90Km/h it needs only 5.5 liters / 100Km. The torque again is much higher than an ordinary petrol engine and the power is higher than a diesel one. About this unique engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection Tamas -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist