A cashier is needed every day, at every store, everywhere. A few techs can install all these stores, once. The same goes for repair techs. In your scenario, the math doesn't work out. Suppose 5 cashiers are eliminated at 1000 stores. Maybe 10 install techs and 20 repair persons can manage all 1000 of these stores* Now let's do the math. For the cashiers, let's take the middle between 24 hour stores like Walmart, and other stores and say 06:00 to 0:00 daily. That's 18 man hours per day, and 126 man hours per week. Times 5 cashiers per store is 630 hours per store per week. Times 1000 stores totals 630,000 man hours. Given wages between $5.50 and $10.00 that's between $3,465,000 and $6,300,000 per week in wages and $173,250,000 - $315,000,000 per year ( given 50 weeks per year) Now if you figure on tech salaries between $24,000 and $72,000 per year for 30 techs, that's $720,000 - $2,160,000 total per year. I'd say this hardly even takes the edge off the salaries lost to the cashier jobs, however, it's millions in the pockets of the retailer. And you can bet it won't be given back to the consumer in savings. Retailers like Walmart do NOT pass savings on to consumers. They only lower prices to the point required to best compete with the competition and maximize profits. If Walmart can save 40 cents on something, but they only have to lower it say 5 cents to beat Target's price, you can bet it will only be 5 cents lower. And those huge profits don't go back into the local communities much either. Mostly into cheaper and cheaper foreign suppliers. *(in my experience in POS, the numbers are much lower. During the brief time I worked in the Point Of Sale division at IBM, I was responsible for every store of a certain chain in 2 states! I had 3 other people on those stores, but doing different jobs. We only covered the same duties during emergencies.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Graf" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Subject: Re: [OT] I wonder what company would let such a product outthedoor. Naw, it couldn't be ... Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:14:42 -0500 On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 22:51 +0000, Peter P. wrote: > Herbert Graf farcite.net> writes: > > > Eliminating shoplifting completely is a pointless exercise, putting > > guards in to minimize it is the best we can do. There will always be > > people who can get around WHATEVER guards are in place. To completely > > dismiss something new because it appears slightly easier to take > > advantage of is IMHO not a good way to approach things. > > The whole point about the system is to eliminate costly jobs and to increase > user satisfaction (convenience) ? There is only one employee instead of six. > Maybe there is a little more potential for shoplifting. If the > savings from the > eliminated jobs cover it then there is a net gain even with the increased > shopliftings (if any). This "loosing jobs" argument is very common, and IMHO very flawed. Yes, cashier jobs would disappear. But has anyone considered that OTHER jobs will appear? Off hand it's obvious that the technical jobs will increase, since someone has to design, manufacture, test and deliver these systems. There there are the field techs, the sales force, the distributers, the repair companies, the replacement parts companies, the competition delivering the same functionality for a better price, etc. EVERY TIME technology comes and takes the "job" of a person, people start crying, yet has the unemployment rate skyrocketed in the past century? Sure, numbers wise there ARE probably statistically less people who work on say, a single car then there were before Henry Ford came along, but there sure are ALOT more cars being built, and I'm willing to bet MANY MAGNITUDES more people working on building cars today. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist