> > > I've spent way too much time already in my young life fighting with > crystal oscillator circuits. Anything of mine in the future that > isn't intended for mass mass production (and maybe stuff that does) > will have a powered clock, unless there is some reason not to that > I'm not aware of. There aren't THAT many things to check. The crystal needs to be a fundamental mode, parallel resonant crystal. Routing: Are you keeping the crystal in close to the micro, and do the cap leads return to the micro ground by a separate track, NOT a plane, or other "ground" point. Cap values: Typically, twice the loading cap value, minus about 5pF These last two tests I would consider optional for a hobbyist, but essential for production: Drive level: Are you overdriving? Crystals do funny things when hit too hard. "Negative resistance" margin: Do you have enough gain to reliably start? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist