> Were they trying to take the all-important title of 'widest > turning circle' from Harley Davidson? > And as usual, cheap wins. Back to forks it is then. Those concept bikes are all very nice but as demonstrated, to the hosts' embarrassment, on Top Gear, you can't parallel park with a flappy-paddle gearbox, big turning circles make a mockery of a 3-point turn (and really annoy other motorists who have to wait while you shuffle back and forth 1 degree at a time), and super cars have such rotten ground clearance you should probably not leave the motorway -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist