just a heads up for those of you who don't visit the microchip site on a regular basis http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=2519¶m=en028609&redirects=express 20% off on quite a few items, unfortunately the ICD2 isn't on the list :( real ice is though... -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist